Episode 13: Blue vs. Red - Part 2

Red vs. Blue: Episode 13: Blue vs. Red - Part 2

A pair of Freelancers break the stalemate in the action-packed finale of the Desert Gulch Chronicles.

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  • Dove93 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    3 weeks ago

    Damn I feel bad for Temple. 

  • KymaFox

    2 months ago

    What is that rock song!!!

  • Dmaest

    2 months ago

    Well, I am a lot more sympathetic towards Temple now. Holy.... I mean, Carolina is better now, but she seriously had issues back then to the point where everyone else was second to her being the best. Jesus.... She did not give a crap about simulation troops apparently.

  • jking702 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    3 months ago

    The fight scenes just aren't the same without Monty Oum :( RIP

    • TaylorCulosis The world-famous scowl.

      3 months ago

      They don't try to make them the same. The over-the-top fights went to RWBY, while RvB shifted to more grounded material. 

    • strigon9 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      3 months ago

      That wasn't "grounded", it was freaking geriatric.
      Especially when you consider it's supposed to be Tex and Carolina fighting. They didn't have to make it The Matrix or anything, but it definitely could've been much more fluid and dynamic.

    • neB_HA FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 months ago

      it was more for comedic effect with the music changes, than action but still pretty stal

  • CaptCottonCandy

    3 months ago

    i love the "i'm sorry they made me" from lorenzo and when you think about it if tex hadn't takin it out of biff carolina could of just left it there cause it was still at blue base all she would have to do is get red teams flag and bring it back, she wouldn't have to remove it from biff


  • ironlotus1997

    4 months ago

    That was cool that they used the underwear pole in the fight and used for foreshadowing I did like the fight even if it was a bit slow.

  • Xandebot2000 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

    I really forgot how much of a cunt Carolina was when she was in Freelancer.

  • rwbysis07

    4 months ago

    Biff's death is really Temple's fault. If Temple had shot him, he wouldn't have been pulled into the fight. 

    Or you could blame it on Tex for pulling the flag out. He would have lived (maybe just a little longer) if she had left it in. But she might have had Omega, because she never used the voice filter unless she had Omega. 

  • ripple_effect

    4 months ago

    The fight was SOOO SLOW I yawned I was looking forward for a good Tex vs. Carolina fight and I was disappointed  broken_heart

  • Zabon95 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold That One Tool

    4 months ago

    wow... This episode was low, and what was that fight? it felt like a set up for a joke that was never made...

  • tyellowfinch Chirp Chirp

    4 months ago

    Fight scene seemed way to slow. and almost like they were pulling their punches. Could have been a lot better.

  • ISwearItWasAnAccident FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

    Holy tonal dissonance batman

    • TaylorCulosis The world-famous scowl.

      3 months ago

      Alright, tvtropes.

  • WindowsRules

    4 months ago

    Can I ask a question? How are the Roosterteeth staff able to constantly increase the levels of awesomeness in your content? Just when I think I've seen the best of the best, you guys take it a notch above that! 


    Thank you, thank you, thank you :-)

  • AaronBacon FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

    Welp. That happened.

  • DemonicsFire

    4 months ago

    the punching seemed... flat... not with the power behind them they should have....


    and i so saw biff getting.... biffed

  • DemonicsFire

    4 months ago

    is it just me or did the fight seem..... flat.... the punches seems... not as hard so as they should be..


    and i so saw biff getting... well... biffed.....

    • CaramelSwirl FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 months ago

      Agreed... idk if they tired to make the moves parallel to the music to make it funnier or not. Hopefully we can get a real fight scene before the end of the season. Still love RvB

    • sigma476

      3 months ago

      They had the intern do it I guess.  It looked like the motions were posed rather than mocaped like in the earlier seasons.  There weren't any motions aside from the absolutely necessary, making the fight feel more static.  Animation moved offices recently so maybe the mocap environment was down during this production

    • TaylorCulosis The world-famous scowl.

      3 months ago

      @sigma476 They had a team of martial artists in to mocap this. Pretty sure it's the same one from 13 and 14. 

  • korbitr FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Roller of Ones

    4 months ago

    Just rewatched the episode and I realized that Jax's gut reaction to being shot in the leg was to Wilhelm scream. I love it.

    • CaramelSwirl FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 months ago

      Yeah that was funny take back smiley Jax is funny...not so much on the blood across Marks face (Temple), from first Episode of this season confused.

  • SymbolofNope FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

    Fuck yeah. Not enough action this season so far, but this episode was a nice little callback to how badass freelancer was

  • FTCoconutman FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

    dear roosterteeth inlove you with all my heart but that fight coreography was guttertrash. Even fighting to the pace of the music the freelancers should'nt look like people that have never been in a fight before. Am i wrong or is'nt that the whole point of editing? I know monty was a genius but that was horrible.

  • 3cool5school

    4 months ago

    The fight itself was honestly pretty underwhelming, but that Harry Potter audibook part was hilarious.

    • Mad_Dog7

      4 months ago

      The fight was set to what ever music was playing. which is why it seemed underwhelming. 

  • Akhaos FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

    The only complaint that I have thus far are the fight scenes, particularly here between Carolina and Tex ((love seeing her again though) clever use of the voice modulator as a replacement for the voice actress). The fights just seem a bit weightless now, and while it doesn't kill the experience, I think it should be fixed. The altercation of the pace as each song played was clever, but while creative, the style fell on its face. Volume 4 of RWBY shared the same flaw in quite a few areas, and that's the show that highlights awesome combat. This is my constructive feedback, adding my voice with others, that the combat has some areas it needs improvement for. If the weightlessness can be minimized, I feel the combat will improve. I am thankful to the animators, however, for continuing to practice and hone their skills in the absence of Monty. It's incredible that you're putting in the effort to improve, and I hope that our feedback helps!

    • lunchbox893 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Self-Named King of Zing

      4 months ago

      1. Not clever, they just got lucky that they had written in a voice modulator back when they first introduced Tex.

      2. The quality that Kathleen's voice brought to Tex was irreplaceable.

      3. The lack of Kathleen is why Tex only had one line in this episode, so they should have just gone with Maine. It would have worked just as well.

      4. Please see the next page of comments for the full version of my complaints of Tex still being in the show despite how much we all love her.

  • NightStar_Force

    4 months ago

    At first the animation was great and better than last year but after Surge plays the classic song it seemed unrealistically slow again like last year. Unless I'm being stupid and that was on purpose. Also the way Biff died using the flag to stage his death in a stupid comedy way had too much stupidity to be funny.

    • rflame135

      4 months ago

      If you notice they are fighting on beat with the music, so them getting really slow when Surge plays the classic song was on purpose.

    • NightStar_Force

      4 months ago

      I hope this doesn't offend the staff, you guys are doing great

  • Copper-Zen

    4 months ago

    Umm...this is some uncomfortable retconning.  Carolina and Tex both playing Get The Flag with an older team of Reds and Blues?  Yeah, really uncomfortable with this.

    • rflame135

      4 months ago

      It's not really retconning though? Unless they said somewhere that they'd never run anything with sim troopers before that I'm not remembering.


      like, retconning is delivering new information that changes an old piece of information, usually to correct mistakes or inconsistencies. Like, in Star Wars episode IV Obi Wan says that luke's dad is dead, killed by Vader. Then in episode V it's revealed that Vader is his father. (Something that was not originally planned when making episode IV) So in episode VI they retconned it by having Obi Wan say he wasn't lying "from a certain point of view." New information to justify an earlier inconsistency, retconned. 


      All that happened in this was looking back at another thing Carolina and Tex did back when project freelancer was still operating. Which seems fine to me. We've seen that there are a ton of red and blue simulation troopers, and it would make sense for the freelancers to interact with more than just one pair of them since they're whole purpose in the project was to provide training scenarios for the freelancer operatives.


      I will give you that it just seems a little weirdly placed. Like, sending them to play capture the flag is kind of odd considering the other missions we know they were going on at the time and the contrast between the freelancers being hyper aggressive set against the blues and reds being ... themselves is a bit jarring, and the pacing felt off. 

  • Djpon0812

    4 months ago

    Got to say love they were just playing music in the background as the girls kept fighting 

  • Mr_LRB

    4 months ago

    Man, the action in this episode reminds me so much of Monty. Especially the rocket-throwing. 

  • JohnJoe

    4 months ago

    I have absolutely loved every episode this season, but this episode just had too many problems for me to really enjoy it.


    The biggest problem this episode had for me wasn't the wonky fight scenes, but the tone.


    It was a comedic episode throughout the whole thing, but then at the end we got the death scene.

    Rvb has always been the best at juggling comedy and drama, but this episode was the first time that it just did not work.(The fight scene was just a comedic, awkward mess).


    I still love the season so far Joe, and I have a good feeling that I will enjoy the rest of the episodes.

    • DuskAndCovers

      4 months ago

      Agreed. The other half of this episode feels sloppy and low energy for a fight scene. I just hope other episodes aren't directed like this.


      That death scene was heavily anti-climactic too and it's hard to feel a thing after an awkward fight scene.

  • cybis

    4 months ago

    Monty Oum passed away. I get it. I realize we'll never get quite his flair and style again, but... 


    The fight scene in this episode was just plain pathetic. It wasn't even good by any measure. At the 6:00 mark, during the "Springsteen" song, why was Carolina not fighting back at all? She looked more like a stuffed punching doll. If they were trying to be funny by tying the action to the beat of the song, it really didn't work.


    Surely RT could just, you know, hire another fight scene animator? RT isn't the only company whose done good fight scene animations. Monty couldn't have been the "greatest fight scene animator ever, of all time" such that nobody, no television show or movie or anyone will ever get good CGI fight scenes ever again. Is it really that hard to find even decent talent?


    They need to do this not just for Red vs. Blue, but for RWBY as well. More for RWBY, actually. Season 4's fight scenes were also pretty bad (remember the Blake & Sun's fight scene against the sea dragon? Blaked jumped as high as a mountain and flew in the air, as if she was wearing some video game jetpack). RWBY was sold specifically for its fight scenes - after all, Bernie was skeptical of the whole series until he saw how Ruby was able to use the recoil of her scythe effectively in fights, which we seem to have completely lost. It's still a relatively fresh & new series with hopefully many years ahead of it, so RT better not waste it.


    Lastly - one hallmark of a bad fight scene: twirling and spinning. Combatants should never twirl and spin as if they're ballet dancers. Why the hell do animators think it looks "cool" when combatants expose their backs to each other like that? They just look completely vulnerable when they do that, which is made even more pathetic when their opponent doesn't take advantage of it.

    • lunchbox893 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Self-Named King of Zing

      4 months ago

      You know Monty shared what he knew with the other animators, macinemators and artists, right? That's why we had such awesome fights in Season 13 even though he, sadly, never worked on it. While it's true that his personal style and flair may be gone, he passed on everything he knew to the Rooster Teeth crew.

      There's also such a thing as an animation budget. Animators need to get paid. The more time they spend on a badass fight, the more they get paid. But Rooster Teeth doesn't have unlimited funds and the animators don't have unlimited time. At a certain point, if they haven't perfected a certain fight scene, they have to say, "Good enough, move on to the next project."

      So don't you dare say that the lack of Monty's presence and talent is the sole reason that the fight scenes have suffered. To do so is an insult to his memory and to Rooster Teeth.

    • cybis

      4 months ago

      @lunchbox893 RT poured  $2.4 million into producing Lazer Team. They're now making a Lazer Team 2 - god knows what their budget is for that - while the hallmarks of Red vs. Blue and RWBY are falling quite far below their usual standard.


      I saw Lazer Team. It was kinda cool, I guess, but I would rather have had a better RWBY Season 4 and I think most RT fans would agree. $2.4 million not enough to hire more quality animators?


      No, RTs animators did not learn everything Monty knew. Anyone whose seen RWBY would notice that right from the get go - most of the fights, not just one or two, since season 3 were quite lacking... something. Like physics just didn't apply to the characters at all anymore (too much hovering in the air, moving without any force being applied, bullshit like that). The Chorus trilogy did have good fight scenes, true, but I'm not sure how much of that was reused old work Monty left behind.

    • ironlotus1997

      4 months ago

      Cybis even with all that it is still hard to make and execute your not a fight choreographer so how would you know.  

  • shadowspark

    4 months ago

    Jack deserved that bullet, I'm sorry but his remark was just so out of place. Corrupted sim trooper bitter with anger has you captured, yet for some reason tells his sad story of his best friend (Also, I'm sorry but that was both an accident and Tex that did that. Hell, Carolina didn't even pull it out, yes it was suppose to impale her, but Tex throw it). At least he was kind enough not to shoot more fatally, but as I said before, I think he still needs them alive for a little longer to play the part for the Reds and Blues.


    I will say that it shows moreso that Temple's anger threw him off the deep end. Well, I'm still trying to grasp how a stick thrown at such a short distance that had been deflected, thus lost momentum and force was able to impale a full grown man, that's beside the point. Actually...how exactly DID that happen, if it was strong enough to impale Bif, Carolina wouldn't have been able to divert hit to the side like that, it would have gone up and over her head, maybe taking her helmet off. I digress though, lets play along on the show, I think the true source of his anger is that, he failed to fulfill his promise to his friend. I think the real reason he's projecting it to the military is because he could have helped stage it... but he choked. You can say that Tex and Carolina (mostly Carolina) went out of hand in their exercise, but at the moment it counted, Temple choked. I think he can't accept that he let his friend down, when he said things don't go according to plan, I thought he shot and it missed and pissed off the Freelancers and they went berserk on the glutch and only Bif was killed or something. There's nothing wrong with being angry, but he needs to place the blame where it belongs, this doesn't take away the fact that Project Freelancer and the UNSC screwed over everyone on their roster list...but it was Temple that choked.


    I fear it may be even worse than this. I think so long mulling in his despair its twisted and warped his head. Freelancer is over and the head of Freelancer is dead, the agents were arrested and disbanded and most were trying to live a comfortable life. I think he's true targets were the Reds and Blues who shut everything down before him, now I'm convinced that he despises them the most for shutting down Freelancer and all they did. I'm sure the next episodes will show this out, also, I wonder how much time has elasped, remember Wash and C are STILL on borrowed time right now.

  • Queenagentnewtexy

    4 months ago

    Carolina is so much cooler and more awesome than Tex, well Tex is still pretty cool


    but Carolina is like so much cooler than her 


    and in this Carolina's moves were like a boss! so freaking cool, still think that Grif is Biff's son.


    I'm still sticking to that theory of mine that Grif is Biff's son.......and Grif and Sister are half siblings.


    cause there is no way Biff is Sister's dad because he ended up killed in this episode, and if I'm right than that baby is or rather was Grif, Grif is Biff Jr. and Biff and his girlfriend's names spell Grif if you takes some of the letters that has 'G'. 'R'. 'I'. 'F'. the couple's names are a  acronym for Grif!


    it be nice if they made a A.I. from Biff,

    all they would have to do is copy his mind and the A.I. would be born.........but when making a A.I. you need to make sure that the person that is being used for the making of the A.I. is either a clone being used to make the A.I. or a human being that isn't a clone and is all ready died that can be used to make the A.I.......why didn't the blues and reds think of doing that? sure it wouldn't be the him they knew but still.......it is kind of sad to see Biff go like that but he will live on.........in Grif, if it does turn out that he is his son.


    hope they bring Biff back as a A.I someday, he can bond with his son.........but he shouldn't come back as some kind of flood zombie, that is a big no no.....he wouldn't be him anymore he would be like trying to kill anything he or it sees........wonder if they will take that turn in a future season when they have to fight a red vs blue version of the flood but with a different name? that would be kind of cool to see............if they try to eat that cutie Caboose, they are going to starve......

    • gamer101v2 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      2 days ago

       church1

    • Queenagentnewtexy

      1 day ago

      can you not take my options or comments the wrong way, just because I happen to say ideas and crazy outrageous theories that may or may not turn out to be true.   angry




         

  • janeDoe001

    4 months ago

    So, no one's gonna mention Carolina calling Tex Optimus? lol



    jD001

  • keywora

    4 months ago

    Wow, the music really does make the fight

  • FernandoAgue

    4 months ago

    So no one is going to reference how Bif and georgina had a sun named and it's probably a very beloved character named Grif?

    • ShatteredShadow FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 months ago

      That could be interesting, but what about Sister.

    • Queenagentnewtexy

      4 months ago

      oh my gosh, someone else has that theory besides me


      and as for Sister, she is clearly Grif's younger half sister. 


      she ain't Biff's kid.


      Sister might take after her mother more than we thought........  simmons


      oh and hope you don't mind me pointing this out, you had put 'sun' instead of 'son'


      I'm sure you didn't notice the mistake when trying to say that Grif might be Biff's son.


      even I believe that Grif might be Biff's son that and Grif and Sister are half brother and sister. 


      I'm kind of happy that I'm not the only one who figured out about Biff and Georgina's names spell out Grif and well I could be wrong about Grif's mom changing her last name to Grif out of well mixing her name with Biff's but who knows if that is right or not.


      but seriously if you take Georgina and Bifit really does spell out Grif, that is perhaps crazy but it is half the reason why the thought of Grif being Biff's son came to my head.


      and if it turns out that Grif is the son, they might be working up to that or we will not find out until next season if they don't say who Biff's kid is.........sure we could be either right or wrong but it was fun thinking of the possibility of Grif being Biff's son.



      it might even be possible that half of the blues and reds are long lost family of the reds and blues.......well not Temple though, unless he is like Allison's little brother and it turns out he is like Carolina's uncle.......which would be weird.




    • imzbro

      4 months ago

      am i the only one who realized that on "Sibling Arrivalries", back in season 5, its actually inferred that Griff and Sister dont have a dad? im all on bored on this whole theory.

    • Mad_Dog7

      4 months ago

      The ages wouldn't match up. Carolina and Griff are about the same age. She couldn't have been a fully grown adult before Giff's birth. Maybe Biff could have been Griff's Brother.

  • AgentVanilla

    4 months ago

    I lost it at the harry potter book reading by the chairman 

    • JCSEA_Hunter

      4 months ago

      You and me both

    • lunchbox893 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Self-Named King of Zing

      4 months ago

      I had to listen again just now to be sure, but HOLY SHIT THAT IS THE EVIL DOUCHEBAG.... I mean Chairman.

  • Invader-Jim FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

    Something about the fight once Springsteen's song started didn't sit well with me...

    • razer1195 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 months ago

      It's probably because RT wants to add a little bit of flavour to Temple's growing instability. The more insane he gets, the wonkier the animation.

    • Mr_LRB

      4 months ago

      I think they were purposely spoofing how RvB and RWBY characters tend to fight in time with the music. But I do like your idea as well, @Razer1195

  • Knightemaric FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

    I definitely want that second song that played during the fight scene. Though I'm not that hyped about it because of the lack luster fight scene. 

    It seems like they aren't working in as much action for this season. Which is fine for a storytelling standpoint, but after season 14's compilation style, I would prefer RvB going back to its roots with either a focus on action or comedy.

  • MarkusGarza1

    4 months ago

    so like it's been a week pretty much and this still isn't available for website members? How much longer do I have to wait before I can finally see Tex again?

    • lightball20 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 months ago

      It has been 6 days. RvB is released to first members on Sunday and to website members the NEXT Sunday.

    • lunchbox893 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Self-Named King of Zing

      4 months ago

      She's not Tex unless she has Kathleen's voice. So, you'll have to keep waiting. Nuff said.

  • Snow100000 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

    That last line just gives me chills. Temple is a badass!

  • RayannFlynn36

    4 months ago

    i haven't watched the episode yet but i pray to god its not another filler episode. i know everyone works hard but i just really need to know what happens to Wash and Carolina!

    • lightball20 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 months ago

      Last episode wasn't a filler episode. Last episode is setting up why what happened to Wash and Carolina happened

  • worom001 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

    Animations have gone shit

    • razer1195 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 months ago

      I like to think it's because Temple is going unstable, and the animation is supposed to represent his growing insanity. All the other animation has been on-point until now, and we all know how deep RT goes in their narrative, so it only makes sense.

    • RayannFlynn36

      4 months ago

      Im sorry, would you prefer to use nothing like in season 1? I assume you are comparing the animations to seasons 9 and 10, no? Monty Oum was busting ass working on animations for season 10 because he wanted to finish so he could work on an idea he had (RWBY) and tragically passed away. this is why animations are different from back in season 10. i personally dont think they are worse but its not Monty doing them anymore.

    • jabsmagruta

      4 months ago

      I'm tired of people bringing up that the reason the CGI isn't good is because of monty oum. like we didn't JUST have a season with great fight scenes. (s13) plus monty oum passed away two years after he left rvb so his passing had no effect on the CGI in this season. If they didn't have the resources for good fights then it could have just been like season 6 and 11 where the fights where in machinima and still awesome.

    • AgentVanilla

      4 months ago

      I dont know how you guys dont realize this but the joke is that the fight is in step with the music.

      This is based on how Temple remembers the events so obviously it will be slower processed than faster paced as that's how memory works 

  • bigfatcarp93 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Your cheese. Give it.

    4 months ago

    Hmm... plot hole maybe? They imply here that the R&Bs were deliberately constructed to resemble the B&Rs... but as we saw in Season 14, Donut and Caboose were only there due to Vic malfunctioning.

    • alphadog1

      4 months ago

      While you are correct, the director only said the data of the soldiers was stored, so while the reds and blues were not suppose to be just like the B&Rs, they still had the data for the people like Loco and such. So, they likely matched Caboose to Locos data and thus he was called upon. It would be a large amount of luck, but still possible. I also believe that Caboose and Donut probably were not accidents, and that the director intended for Vic to go insane all along, which would make since, being that Vic contained the files of project freelancer, but if somebody did find him, he may be to insane for them to look further than initial contact

    • bigfatcarp93 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Your cheese. Give it.

      4 months ago

      I could see it.

  • tromboneking87 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

    Why am I typing this?  This is a bad idea.  Oh well, down the rabbit hole we go...

    I'm honestly surprised at some of the comments I'm reading.  Even more so, I'm surprised at the upvoting of some pretty critical comments.  That doesn't happen too much on this site.  I'm going to be honest, I enjoyed this episode.  And I'm not going to let other people disrupt my enjoyment of things.

    For the first several episodes, I wasn't quite getting what this season was trying to do.  I hated the derpy names of the Blues and Reds, I *REALLY* hated the "You've Been Served" "punchline", I just didn't get what Joe was trying to accomplish.  After watching his Afterbuzz interview, I got a bit of a better grasp on Joe's perspective.  He's shooting for a lesson on actions and consequences, and how different consequences affect different people in different ways.  I also got a better picture of who Joe is as an RvB fan.  He loves this series, he really reminded me of Miles during Season 11, he's a kid in a candy shop, getting to play with these characters and stories that he has idolized for so long.

    It seems to me, and I'm probably wrong, that Joe is trying to capture what we've loved from all the eras of RvB (BGC, Re:C, Freelancer, Chorus), give us a taste of nostalgia for those things, poke a little fun at that nostalgia, while at the same time introduce new ideas to the RvB universe, while at the same time creating a season that can work as either a standalone or as the start of a new arc/trilogy.  And he's trying to accomplish all of that in weekly 10 minute episodes in his first year as writer for a beloved web series that has lasted over a decade.  That is an incredibly tall order, and if I'm going to be honest, he's doing alright.  Remember how much pure *HATE* Miles got for Season 11?  These things take time.  Red vs. Blue has always been a long play.  The problem is that since Season 10, the fandom has come to expect more/bigger/better "payoff moments", and you just can't do that in a dozen episodes.  It's a miracle that Miles was able to construct the Chorus Trilogy in such a way that it only took three years to get to a big payoff conclusion.  Give Joe some time on the writing.  If there is anything I've learned in 12 years of watching Rooster Teeth, it's to give them time.  They know what they're doing. (Or at the very least they eventually make good on things if they screw up. :P)

    As far as the animation, I have to laugh.  Did you guys watch season 12?  Some of those fights/action scenes are just plain awkward.  The problem, again, comes down to the audience expecting Monty level action all the time every episode, because, a lot of the fandom came to RvB during the freelancer saga, so that's what they expect.  I thought we would have gotten past this, with RvB 13 and RWBY 3-4, but I'll just say this: We are not going to get Monty level action.  What Monty brought to RT was exceedingly special.  There are very few human beings that can animate/choreograph fights like he could. What we are going to get, however, is something different that can still be cool.  I honestly did not think the fight was nearly as bad as people are painting it to be.  And honestly, the point of the fight wasn't to be cool, it was to set up the music gag, basically saying "If you change the music, all of this looks stupid/overdramatic".

    Wow, I wrote a lot.  I guess the TLDR is, I liked this episode, the season is growing on me, give Joe/RT time to create what they want, and THANK YOU ROOSTER TEETH FOR ALL OF YOUR HARD WORK!  IT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!!! :D

    PS: Go ahead and downvote me to oblivion, I won't mind.  It makes you feel better about yourself and I get to eat more popcorn.  Win-win!

    • demetrion FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 months ago

      I think you're somewhat overreacting. Haters gonna hate, whiners gonna whine and fanboys gonna fanboy no matter what. Some critical comments are on point, and some are not. What's the big deal? But at least you do care, I'll give you that. Part of your post is about the fact that you appreciate RT's work, and in that instance I agree with you completely. They've done hell of a job over the past years and they're keep doing it.

  • user-593ee33754085

    4 months ago

    rvb season 14 episode 14 has a little bit of forshadowing this season if u dont believe watch it

    • Veetzs FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Kiwi

      4 months ago

      Didn't the current writer/director work on an episode of the previous season, could that be the one?

  • S0lstice FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

    I have a lot of respect for the amount of effort the writers/creators/animators put into this show and I understand that after 12 years it must be difficult to keep coming up with new story lines that are still compelling. But I can't help getting more and more frustrated with each episode that comes out where we don't even see the reds and blues. The show doesn't even seem to be about them anymore, like they are just minor characters in the background. There's a lot of new badass characters, yes, but I wish it was the reds and blues being badass. There must be a lot of ways you could have the reds and blues progress and gain skills and be the ones having those awesomely choreographed fights while still retaining their humor that we fell in love with. I miss the days of the Meta and Alpha, where at least most of the plot developments and jaw dropping reveals were about the main characters. Now it's like they don't even need to be there and I find myself wanting these other story lines to just hurry up, and hope that at some point it will become about the reds and blues again. 

  • Evilsora55 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

    Am I the only one thinking about the line, "All A.I. are based on a human mind, the alpha was no exception".  WIth them showing an A.I. can take over a human body in the last season.  Simons being a cyborg, griff made up of Simons body, and sarge surviving a bullet wound to the head with cpr and talking to Church(Alpha) and Sheila(F.I.L.S.S.) while under.  That there are these people with the EXACT same traits and personalities as the Reds and Blues.  That maybe Alpha site had a bunch of A.I. running around in it and these are humans they were copied from.


  • Shadow426 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

    I have seen every single episode in rvb and this one the worst one so far. Before I continue I'd just like to congratulate roosterteeth for going over 10 years before a bad episode appeared, talk about a record. But my major issue was the animation, it looked like it went back to season 6 were most of the animation was still caps with very slight movement and the jokes were just,,,off, I guess there's humor in hindsight is the whole thing really just feels like a beta concept of the original red vs.blue as it does kinda feel like blood gulch chronicles with a slightly bigger budget, Though with this motivation it does ask the question; how the hell did he get his red and blues to go along with this it doesn't seem like they would be on board with it especially if the reds didn't even like there own Grif.

    • Torenquick

      4 months ago

      The animation changed due to the passing of Monty Oum.  You might want to take that in to consideration.  The animators at RT are very good, but Monty was a real prodigy and his talent is sorely missed.  Appreciate the story telling and jokes and appreciate the efforts of those that took up his mantle after he moved to his own series and then unfortunately passed.

    • lightball20 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 months ago

      The reds didn't care for their own Grif but still seeing someone kill him and not care about the fact that he just died and the way the freelancers were treating them. They want revenge on the freelancers.


      You saw when Tex and Carolina were fighting the two teams were in agreement that it would be good if they just punched each other to death. The freelancers treated them like shit, and then killed one of them and didn't care.

  • CapnKoneko FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

     

     grif

    This Emoji suddenly hurts my feelings.

    ;-;

  • CapnKoneko FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

    ...Has anyone seen my jaw?

    I think i dropped it at the ending.


  • BassproBro FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

    love the season so far. Curious ad to what rock song that was in the fight scene.

  • legofan1422 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

    If Temple is telling the truth it would totally make him the most sympathetic villain Rooster teeth has ever had.

    • Kingmidas99 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 months ago

      I completely agree. If none of this is falsified, I honestly wouldn't be mad at him for doing this.

    • bigfatcarp93 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Your cheese. Give it.

      4 months ago

      Except maybe Dr. Church. Maybe.

  • Hedronal FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

    4 months ago

    This is the first time a freelancer fight scene felt bad to watch. Not like feeling bad for a character being beaten down, but because it felt completely low quality. Everything was slow and lethargic, resembling psuedo-realism combat more than cinematic, but being underwhelming at both. The music gag would have been fine or good if that was all it was, or if it was integrated into the action, but it was used as an excuse to not sync combat with music which is one of the prior RvB fight scene's definitive strong points. What was that laziness at the end of the Red base fight sequence? Carolina didn't even try to recover, to the point that it's essentially a character breach for suddenly having such a non-existent reaction speed.


    The animation was lazy, things like the shot from Tex taking the flag to entering combat with Carolina had no connection motions. It was like the two instantly teleported into their fighting stances and different positions. Combat animation has been a major selling point since or before RvB season 9, this looks like what it would have been if they got some pair of undergrads who just renewed an animator subscription for the first time to make it in season 4.


    Attention to detail was virtually nonexistent. Biff and Temple looked like they were posing in front of a green screen for all that background did anything. Suddenly Biff is still custom animated, and Temple is back in machinima mode. Also, Biff managed to get hit right in the center of his armor, and pinned slightly above the floor? He somehow got pushed upward by that head-on shot that pierced straight through his armor, his body, and part of the metal wall behind him?! And his reaction, just vaguely, symmetrically, gesturing forward? What was that even supposed to be? Dramatic, it was not. It looked like a low-skill shakespear knockoff done by untalented high schoolers. That first blood shot with Tex removing the stick flag was just a low-grade blood spurting animation, and the blood splattering Temple's gear shot is a cliche attempt to be edgy. He spurted that much blood, but only one second later there's some vague, reachless splotch on the wall at nothing like that range, and none on the floor, unless it's supposed to be that oddly angular reflection, not shaped like any bloodstain?


    Last episode did a good job at delivering that portion of the backstory, making it seem impactful, empathetic, and like it mattered. This one neutered it with predictable dialogue used as a break from the action, that just broke the plausibility of it, and needless monologuing to the point of me wondering why nobody has even pointed a gun at Temple, because only Dylan and Jax even moved in response. Not even a quip or something from Sarge and Caboose, who were visible.


    During Biff and Temple's dialogue, half of which looked like a mockup animation, Tex and Carolina might as well have been standing around banging sticks together every 2/3 of a second rather than fighting with them. The backstory shown here would almost have been better crammed into extra time on the last episode. Episode length could have been kept down then by removing the utterly disappointing fight scene, made by people without at least one of the skill, practice, or effort put in that this show's reputation holds. That would honestly be an improvement, as an unseen fight might as well be incredible for all we know, better than this underwhelming, sluggish, choppy excuse.


    This episode, is a continuity error factory, and completely not up to or close to the par set by the previous episode, let alone any sequence after season 5 with freelancer combat. Red vs Blue season 15, episode 13 is, and will continue to be, an unnecessarily and impractically low point in the show's history, and if the next episode is like this one, I won't blame the early changers for dropping the season completely.

    • CCaprice FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 months ago

      Ouch, kinda harsh but...I agree.  


      I love this series and have not had an episode I disliked until this one.  This episode had a hand to hand fight with the two best hand to hand fighters in the series and it was depressing and slow and terrible.  


      When Carolina threw that guy into the sky and he just disappeared it felt like a Looney Tunes episode and that whole thing with Biff at the end wasn't any better.  


      Now it feels like Temple is out for revenge because his friend died ridiculously (broomstick through the armor really?) instead of learning about the freelancer project and how hard done they were by it.  His motivation and credibility has really taken a hit.


      This season hard a slow start but was building to something good and was on a roll.  This episode stopped that roll.  I don't want to see RVB end.

    • PasvSmkng FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold Worst ever, of all time

      4 months ago

      Regarding continuity, remember who's telling this story. I mean there's no reason to believe he's being 100% honest is there?  In fact I'm betting he killed biff and is either delusional or lying. 

    • Silenteagle7 FIRST Member Star(s) Indication of membership status - One star is a FIRST member, two stars is Double Gold

      4 months ago

      Honestly I can see all the people saying that it's unreasonable to expect expert animation after Monty tragically passed away, but rwby 3-4 and rvb seasons after monty passed have had decent to awesome fight scene animation.  This just felt like slow motion low impact slap fighting for most of the fight on top of red base, and little things like Carolina pulling out her stun baton or a connecting scene of them running to blue base would have really helped the whole episode.  Also I've actually been a huge fan of the comedy this season, but I didn't find myself laughing much this episode.  It's unfortunate, but hopefully it's just one miss and the rest of the season will continue to show the quality and comedy gold we all know and love.

    • ItalianLightfuel

      4 months ago

      " because only Dylan and Jax even moved in response. Not even a quip or something from Sarge and Caboose, who were visible."


      Wasn't that Serj and Loco? None of the Reds and Blues know that this is happening, yet.